murdoch and his empire as we do, it's even more fascinating. it may even play into more sha nan gans going on here. but to answer your question, i don't think we have had or are likely to have more like this. because our media environment is less competitive than britain's. we don't have a slew of newspapers competing with each other. we have individual cities with individual newspapers. most of them only one newspaper and most of the cities are owned by rupert murdoch. >> and i know there's real competition rather in the tabloid press and between television news programs. >> yes. our job so look at exactly this kind of stuff going on and hopefully if this had been happening here, news of the world would have heard about it but in these competing early evening current affairs programs on television. 6, 7 and 9 have competing programs at 6:30 at night, and they are ferociously competing and that's where you get this rush to the bottom and desperate sorts of stories and trying to outdo the other one on the same story, but even there they certainl